Why does tie go to the runner

There's no such thing as a "tie" in baseball—that's an article of nearly religious faith in the baseball community, and it's a big part of why we love the sport. No shootouts or sudden death here—play until someone drops. A physicist couldn't make an argument one way or the other. Dusty's getting ejected again. Good thing it wasn't Pinella or that jerk from the minor leagues who threw the rosin bag like a grenade.

Rule 7. If the ump thought the ball was there before or at the same time, he's gotta bang Mister Votto. Still not sold? Check 6. Still shaking your head? Okay, try 7. So, it's pretty clear. Gotta get there before the ball, Sparky, or you can just keep on running.

I said the batter has to beat the throw to first because there are no such thing as ties. McClelland: That is exactly right. But in the time continuum there are no frames-per-second. Since the continuum of time is an accepted scientific fact, in real time there are no ties. However it has been proven that the human visual system has its limitations. The human eye and its brain interface can process 10 to 12 separate images per second, perceiving them individually. It takes approximately one-tenth of a second for the eye to see an image and project this to the brain to initiate visual sensation.

Others, taking the opposite stance, could argue that they follow a rule as well, just a different one. Here are examples of such stances, with predictably conflicting results. Here is another quote regarding the same question , in a Q and A with former major league umpire and current umpire academy owner Jim Evans. Proponents of the conflicting methods of interpretation shown above deal with two rules, 7.

We are left with a logical contradiction. Feel free to ridicule any who claim that wording is in the book. However, calling such an idea a myth may be pushing it, since an umpire may call a runner safe on a tie. Umpires will call a runner both safe and out on ties at different times. The umpire must make a judgment call on such plays, as he often does in the game of baseball. Even though there surely can be a tie at a base, a call either way must be made by men with differing opinions of what the correct call is.

Was going to add a similar comment to the others. So, if he reaches the … Read more ». This drives me crazy. The answer is simple. That is what I was thinking the whole time rules 6.

So on a tie he is SAFE. It is likely, even. My point was that the vagueness of it is what evidently leads to the contradicting views held by the two MLB umpires I linked to.

That definition is left to 6. Both rules state that the base or the runner need to be tagged before the runner reaches the base. If he reaches the base at the same time … Read more ». Remember, I agree that the tie should go to the runner, as many of you do. I should have posted more links that state that interpretation is inaccurate, etc.

The fact that two MLB umpires disagree is pretting striking, though. Dave W. If there is a tie, there is no rule that would require the runner to be called out. Tom Tango weighed in on this article on his blog. Baseball fans watching the game sometimes claim that the ball and the runner both got to the base at the same time. There is no provision for this in the rules explicitly so two things have to happen. One, everyone must agree that a tie can happen and two, that if it happens, the runner is safe if it is a home game and out if it is an away game.

If the game is neither home or away for both teams then a toss of the coin at the start of the game can determine which team is the … Read more ». When do we invoke the theory of relativity and note that from the perspective of one observer the fielder the call goes one way, while from the perspective of another observer the baserunner it goes another way. I recall the rule was the opposite — that the runner was out unless he beats the tag, implying that in a tie, he is out.

There really is no lack of clarity. Those two rules 6. McClelland and the high school ump are simply applying the wrong standard by … Read more ». But in the other two rules it states unoccuppied base and take that to mean ties go to the defenders on other bases. OK, it used to be that a tie goes to the fielder at other bases, but I guess that changed that so that a tie now goes to the runner at all bases. I agree, there is no ambiguity.

Also, if someone could do the math of the speed of sound and the affect it has on the rule that would be cool since most plays, at first, are hear the ball, see the foot. That first paragraph of mine is a little sloppy. If the umpire is as disadvantageously positioned as possible, so that the foot hitting the bag, the ball hitting the glove and the umpire are in the same line, the difference in time between the sound of the foot and the ball is about 5.

I agree with Mike. And, MLB umpires cited disagree on the ruling in the first place. I love it! Rams Bladder- thankfully, Mike Whitaker worked out the math. Also, I was told there would be no math. Hi, nice article, I really like the logical arguments on either side. And half the crowd will think you blew it. Yeah, I have to agree with the commenters.

This is not at all controversial. The rule is well defined. A runner is out if the ball arrives first. If its a tie, the ball did not arrive first. Therefore, when its a tie, the runner is not out. Actually Mike, I love it.

This is even better discussion than I imagined. Anyway, I think your notes do a better job of explaining something I believe that I stated in the article- Not to beat a dead horseracing analogy, but if there can be a dead heat, surely there can be a tie at first. Tom Tango pointed out the odds against events landing on the same time stamp, and that makes … Read more ». Wicke- I just read the chapter google books.